It might be even more interesting if nobody knew where they stand points wise through the month so the winners are a surprise!

What if the site went on without points for a while? Just people making lists/voting, for fun? I see more focus from people on the points than on the topics...

Good one aaron, jeez.

Alright I am becoming sorry that I started this one. It was more geared towards getting some constructive criticism of the points structure. It was not suppose to be "beat up on webdesign" hour. My apologies, I will tread more carefully, was not aware it was so loaded!

Good idea :)

I've posted some additional notes on this discussion here: http://blog.makefive.com/2008/10/our-band-aid-solution-to-points/

Ill plead the 5th

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

:)

whyz you hatin' me webby? i love ya!

I just wanted to be here to have fun and learn, and try and be part of the site as it grew, and thats what I intend to keep doing, minus this type of interaction, and interaction on other parts of this site.

Me too. I do not know the other 2 people you are mentioning off hand or why I am associated with them. Were their topics all poor? Why do you think my topics are poor, I do not understand it :) If it's poor, lets remove it and make a great community of great topics and comments.

To be honest, the more and more I get involved with these bickering fights on this site, the more childish it feels to deal with some members here, and the more I feel I lose offline credibility as a designer, which is what drew me to this site in the first place.(Through Eric's blog/writing) I value the topics, the community and the majority of the members on this site.

I especially admire the hardwork that went into it, and the fun that I and others have had here. In the time since the alexmerced/masi/webdesign inclusion, everything seems to have gotten to an immature level, and I'm not comfortable with that.

I don't want this to turn into an AOL chatroom circa 1998, where its name calling and anger because of the anonymity of the internet.

My name is Mark Dudlik, I'm a designer, and I'm on this site to interact with people that I find interesting in their daily interactions. I am here while things render, or while I'm waiting for other parts of my workday to move forward.

I don't want to be laughed at because I am bickering with a member on this site. Though it may be too late for that, I just wanted to be here to have fun and learn, and try and be part of the site as it grew, and thats what I intend to keep doing, minus this type of interaction, and interaction on other parts of this site.

I did not start any of this maliciousness. If you have a serious issue, speak to MakeFive about it. I have spoken to them often about all kinds of things that mean something to me (or to them or the community). They started this awesome community and will make tweaks Im sure in the next roll-out to appease point system flaws and many other things to make this better for everyone. I would also hope stop the usage of allowing curse words and several other items that have been asked for by the community.

Im not reducing opinions dude, just stating the obvious. Any topic I have made is simply because I want to make it and think many people will have interest in it, same as anyone else. Who is to say what a good topic is vs something stupid? Top 5 Stevie Wonder songs to me is a great topic. Why, because I love Stevie Wonder and believe others do as well. If not, ok, mov onto the next topic :). I already explained the BUMPING of topics. Thats for the powers that be for certain. I do not think points should be earned for bumping topics, nor do I bump topics to earn points intentionally.

There he is :)

I like how you try and reduce our opinions webby, because we're so consistent with them. I have said enough on this topic, as it relates to you and your involvement on this site. Aaron, the things you mentioned are great. I think a few people have had similar sentiments to the owners, regarding participation vs. topics, and i think in the end, no matter what happens, someone will just point search. They mentioned some new ideas for involvement this month. So, at least for me, I'm just sitting back, trying to wade through the endless topics that webdesign makes and bumps constantly, and just enjoy the site and you fine people on it.

Give me a call and I can explain it :) # is on my sites.

Webdesign, you do relize that I have empowered you by putting you in the tags, making you all the more visible. I wasn't suggesting the point structure as a change to stop you, but rather as one that made more sense to the goals of the site as they have been explained to me. I an not insinuating that it will stop you, I don't believe anything would stop you, nor do you necessarily need to be stopped. However, I would love to know how you have time to get any work done in a day? You are on here constantly!

(sigh)

I am 100% for making a system that works well for everyone and will abide by any rules set forth as long as I can make lists, comment on and interact with other people/lists that I (or anyone else) want to have an opinion about. Whatever the point structure is (or isn't) I will continue to use MakeFive if it exists :) Nice to see more nonsense from Doe about disrespecting me (about the tags) Keep it coming, just drives me more :) Im sure mdud and nelson the bully arent far behind! Lets see something TANGIBLE to complain about. Email me or better yet, call me directly and lets discuss your issues :)

Yes, i agree ... (nice tags, by the way ... hmmm, now that sounds like a t-shirt in the making: "nice tags" ... ;-)

Maybe the topic could be "Top 5 ways to enhance/improve the point structure" ...